Agree with the premise of the post! I wonder if Fury's low stall scrimmages are too difficult for most ultimate players. I think most players would freeze with a 4 second stall count without an advantage given to the offense (defense not set, fewer players on defense). I think 4 second stall counts paired with some sort of limitation on defense could help in developing this type of behavior!
I've seen low-stall scrimmages even at lower-level college play. I'm not saying it went great, but it happened (and wasn't even my idea!).
Overall I agree with what you're saying. As a coach I want to put players in their "challenge zone", and not overwhelm them so much that it just feels like complete chaos. But I'm also a believer that players adapt to what the game expects of them, more than one might expect. That's a topic that comes up in Spaced Out, a NBA book I've mentioned a couple times. Think 7-footers learning to shoot threes, or the creative passing we see from even average players that was barely a part of the game 30 years ago.
Yeah I think playing low stall scrimmages is not that far-fetched of an idea. I think there are just better ways to bring out the behavior you want than just saying play 7s at stall 6 because that's somewhat throwing them in the deep end (maybe you play 5s with stall 5 but have a defender trailing the play)
way to capture a lot of my thoughts about throwing in player development: dexterity is a critical skill for elite players because of how important it is to .5 frisbee. practicing throwing footwork and releases like that example from Nethercutt and Payne is important. Can you turn and throw a continuation with no pivot and still generate enough power? Can you turn, pivot, and release with another zip and accuracy in a tight window?
As with any sport, when the offense has the advantage... "indecision is the worst decision".
Amen!
Agree with the premise of the post! I wonder if Fury's low stall scrimmages are too difficult for most ultimate players. I think most players would freeze with a 4 second stall count without an advantage given to the offense (defense not set, fewer players on defense). I think 4 second stall counts paired with some sort of limitation on defense could help in developing this type of behavior!
I've seen low-stall scrimmages even at lower-level college play. I'm not saying it went great, but it happened (and wasn't even my idea!).
Overall I agree with what you're saying. As a coach I want to put players in their "challenge zone", and not overwhelm them so much that it just feels like complete chaos. But I'm also a believer that players adapt to what the game expects of them, more than one might expect. That's a topic that comes up in Spaced Out, a NBA book I've mentioned a couple times. Think 7-footers learning to shoot threes, or the creative passing we see from even average players that was barely a part of the game 30 years ago.
Definitely 100% for having fast autonomous decision makers! Am just also for scaffolding the learning process
Yeah I think playing low stall scrimmages is not that far-fetched of an idea. I think there are just better ways to bring out the behavior you want than just saying play 7s at stall 6 because that's somewhat throwing them in the deep end (maybe you play 5s with stall 5 but have a defender trailing the play)
way to capture a lot of my thoughts about throwing in player development: dexterity is a critical skill for elite players because of how important it is to .5 frisbee. practicing throwing footwork and releases like that example from Nethercutt and Payne is important. Can you turn and throw a continuation with no pivot and still generate enough power? Can you turn, pivot, and release with another zip and accuracy in a tight window?
Ah yes the initiative the crux of Ultimate in motion! I believe Frank Huguenard also ade an argument for 500ms catch and throw quite a while back.
Fundamental driver of any offense in 1 self-respecting sport for sure. Thank you for that!!
Haha I didn't want to go find a quote of his, but yeah, I'm not surprised that he would say something like that.