You touch on it in the last comment, but there is also "chaining" when you remove someone from the top of the food chain. The replacement player won't be getting all of the player's touches, but instead the next best player will get a few more, as will the third best, etc.. This concept comes from evalutaing relief pitchers in baseball, where the roster has several of them already in place. It's less applicable to a sport like football, where there are clear starters and backups and the positions are less interchangeable. Ultimate and basketball are somewhere in between.
I think people like to use the same concept for basketball too. I'll often see comments like "they could be the 2nd (or 3rd) best player on a championship team, but they're out of place as the star" (think Aaron Gordon or Andrew Wiggins).
And wow, your article is very similar to a lot of what I've written here. I think I never made it the whole way through your archives b/c it was too much work to get through the posts recapping tournaments from 20 years ago (that I don't really care about) to find the analysis stuff that I do care about. I should get on that, though...
It's not the first time, in fact, that I've written something similar to your old posts. A reader once pointed out the similarity between these two:
With basketball, and ultimate, too, I suppose, chaining leads to the usage vs efficiency effect that isn't seen in baseball, where a player having to take more of the load will have to take more marginal shots and thus do worse on average. Dean Oliver had it in his book. I wrote about it here https://parinella.blogspot.com/2005/06/efficiency-curves.html
I wonder if you could scrape ulti-verse to try to create a points value for club and college players. It would just be based on who is rostered for what game.
Nice article. I wrote "Value of a Puller" a few years ago https://parinella.blogspot.com/2006/07/value-of-puller-warning-numbers.html and there are some good comments in there from the readers.
You touch on it in the last comment, but there is also "chaining" when you remove someone from the top of the food chain. The replacement player won't be getting all of the player's touches, but instead the next best player will get a few more, as will the third best, etc.. This concept comes from evalutaing relief pitchers in baseball, where the roster has several of them already in place. It's less applicable to a sport like football, where there are clear starters and backups and the positions are less interchangeable. Ultimate and basketball are somewhere in between.
I think people like to use the same concept for basketball too. I'll often see comments like "they could be the 2nd (or 3rd) best player on a championship team, but they're out of place as the star" (think Aaron Gordon or Andrew Wiggins).
And wow, your article is very similar to a lot of what I've written here. I think I never made it the whole way through your archives b/c it was too much work to get through the posts recapping tournaments from 20 years ago (that I don't really care about) to find the analysis stuff that I do care about. I should get on that, though...
It's not the first time, in fact, that I've written something similar to your old posts. A reader once pointed out the similarity between these two:
https://someflow.substack.com/p/walking-before-cutting
https://parinella.blogspot.com/2007/06/purposeful-walking.html
With basketball, and ultimate, too, I suppose, chaining leads to the usage vs efficiency effect that isn't seen in baseball, where a player having to take more of the load will have to take more marginal shots and thus do worse on average. Dean Oliver had it in his book. I wrote about it here https://parinella.blogspot.com/2005/06/efficiency-curves.html
Another related post is https://parinella.blogspot.com/2011/03/i-got-comment-on-previous-thread-and.html
"Purposeful" walking was one of my favorites. I too noticed the similarity when I read your article.
I'm not sure tags existed in 2005. And you are probably even less interested in my softball and golf games.
I wonder if you could scrape ulti-verse to try to create a points value for club and college players. It would just be based on who is rostered for what game.