A resounding yes to all of these. I would even add several more :
-as a parallel to your sideline com. Communication has to happen on the field, defense is not in time to react so that is where it should happen;
-play the way you face, do vision (inwards) pivot. Vision is paramount and that is the best moment to gather information. Turning down field blindly while seeing the sideline, the score, how much water is left in your bottle before seeing a viable option is laughable at best a huge mistake at worst. As a corollary, decelerate into your catches to create a better balance;
-In the modern science category Training Under Fatigue (TUF) is useless. You are better off working on throws then doing conditioning than throwing after a hard workout to work out on throwing when tired. All scientific articles are quite adamant regarding this.
-Finally my favorite, stacks.... Why on earth would you :
1-clog the best space to be on the field (the center) (or set up near a sideline)
2-Assume the defense will be 1-on-1 and leave the initiative to the defense (yes a zone/clam/hybrid/flex/triad completely shuts it down)
3-make most of your options unusable because hidden blob of players
4-separate your vision (open/break/dump) instead of having them all available
5-having player compete for the same space
6-forcing a useless sprint (clearing out) for the whole offense to work.
"how much water is left in your bottle" made me laugh out loud, thank you for that!
Totally agree about stacks. At one point I thought about putting vertical stack in the article, but then ended up not including it...I'm not sure why I didn't. Honestly, I kind of just forgot. But thanks to your comment I won't need to type up my own version :)
I haven't heard much about Training Under Fatigue, I'll have to look into that. Thanks for the pointer.
1) I think more elite teams are starting to incorporate the vision pivot (eg I think Johnny bravo). It hasn’t trickled down to lower levels for whatever reason.
2) I’d also be curious if you had any references about training under fatigue! Googling doesn’t seem to reveal that many reputable sources.
SMITH, Mitchell R., FRANSEN, Job, DEPREZ, Dieter, et al. Impact of mental fatigue on speed and accuracy components of soccer-specific skills. Science and medicine in football, 2017, vol. 1, no 1, p. 48-52.
I would advice using google scholar in these instances ;) And yes vision pivot is the most important thing in ultimate perhaps. We put a huge emphasis for the teams we coached.
I agree with most of these! Re the coaches on the field in between points, in my experience usually to call the pull play or the type of defense we’re going to run (similar to an OC in football calling a play or a DC calling a scheme to the middle linebacker). In a properly timed game, it’s very hard to say much else, and in an improperly timed game saying much else is counterproductive to the team being focused.
That's a fair point. I think what I was trying to say it not "it's useless", but simply "it looks funny". Maybe in my mind I'd prefer a huddle on the sideline before the 7 players get on the line. But yes, also a very fair rebuttal that in the NFL they have electronic communication to get the plays in.
Yeah I think it’s a function of you technically only having 80 seconds between pulls (including a celebration for a score or a walk back to the other side of the field if you were scored on). In unobserved games, teams routinely break the 80 second rule, and so I guess you could technically get away with huddling after every point, but it might be considered time-wasting.
A resounding yes to all of these. I would even add several more :
-as a parallel to your sideline com. Communication has to happen on the field, defense is not in time to react so that is where it should happen;
-play the way you face, do vision (inwards) pivot. Vision is paramount and that is the best moment to gather information. Turning down field blindly while seeing the sideline, the score, how much water is left in your bottle before seeing a viable option is laughable at best a huge mistake at worst. As a corollary, decelerate into your catches to create a better balance;
-In the modern science category Training Under Fatigue (TUF) is useless. You are better off working on throws then doing conditioning than throwing after a hard workout to work out on throwing when tired. All scientific articles are quite adamant regarding this.
-Finally my favorite, stacks.... Why on earth would you :
1-clog the best space to be on the field (the center) (or set up near a sideline)
2-Assume the defense will be 1-on-1 and leave the initiative to the defense (yes a zone/clam/hybrid/flex/triad completely shuts it down)
3-make most of your options unusable because hidden blob of players
4-separate your vision (open/break/dump) instead of having them all available
5-having player compete for the same space
6-forcing a useless sprint (clearing out) for the whole offense to work.
We wrote about the 'whys' of the above in our book (https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Marie_and_Florian_Gailliegue_Ultimate_in_motion?id=bjcYEAAAQBAJ). Glad to know we are not alone in this mess :) Keep on the good work
"how much water is left in your bottle" made me laugh out loud, thank you for that!
Totally agree about stacks. At one point I thought about putting vertical stack in the article, but then ended up not including it...I'm not sure why I didn't. Honestly, I kind of just forgot. But thanks to your comment I won't need to type up my own version :)
I haven't heard much about Training Under Fatigue, I'll have to look into that. Thanks for the pointer.
1) I think more elite teams are starting to incorporate the vision pivot (eg I think Johnny bravo). It hasn’t trickled down to lower levels for whatever reason.
2) I’d also be curious if you had any references about training under fatigue! Googling doesn’t seem to reveal that many reputable sources.
SMITH, Mitchell R., FRANSEN, Job, DEPREZ, Dieter, et al. Impact of mental fatigue on speed and accuracy components of soccer-specific skills. Science and medicine in football, 2017, vol. 1, no 1, p. 48-52.
MESQUITA, Training under fatigue: does it matter? BRIDGING THE GAP: REHAB & PERFORMANCE, 2015 https://btgap.org/2015/07/24/training-under-fatigue-does-it-matter/
Are the one we quoted in our book ;)
I would advice using google scholar in these instances ;) And yes vision pivot is the most important thing in ultimate perhaps. We put a huge emphasis for the teams we coached.
I agree with most of these! Re the coaches on the field in between points, in my experience usually to call the pull play or the type of defense we’re going to run (similar to an OC in football calling a play or a DC calling a scheme to the middle linebacker). In a properly timed game, it’s very hard to say much else, and in an improperly timed game saying much else is counterproductive to the team being focused.
That's a fair point. I think what I was trying to say it not "it's useless", but simply "it looks funny". Maybe in my mind I'd prefer a huddle on the sideline before the 7 players get on the line. But yes, also a very fair rebuttal that in the NFL they have electronic communication to get the plays in.
Yeah I think it’s a function of you technically only having 80 seconds between pulls (including a celebration for a score or a walk back to the other side of the field if you were scored on). In unobserved games, teams routinely break the 80 second rule, and so I guess you could technically get away with huddling after every point, but it might be considered time-wasting.